The transcript follows after the YouTube audio. This is from the Darla Jaye program on Kansas City’s KMBZ 980 AM. Originally aired on Friday, May 28, 2010. Four parts, total length 32 minutes.
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Transcript, Darla Jaye interview of Kathy Brown and Ben Hodge
Friday, May 28, 2010
Pt. 1 of 4 on YouTube (length 10:01)
Link to audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITjeMf4kimU
Darla Jaye: Joining me in studio is Kathy Brown, and Kathy was a student at Johnson County Community College. She is also an attorney, but she was going back to school, enrolling in the LPN to RPN bridge program for nurses, and she has been trying to get something from Johnson County Community College I think for 15 months, now. And Kathy is in the studio with me right now, welcome to the program, Kathy.
Kathy Brown: Thank you, Darla, it’s a pleasure to be here.
Darla: I watched this video on Kansas Watchdog — Kansas.Watchdog.org — and it’s a video of you talking to the Johnson County Community [College] Board of Trustees, about a complaint, and so I watched the video, and I read the copy that Earl Glynn had on Kansas Watchdog, and there’s something called a “Discomfort Doctrine” at Johnson County Community College? What is that?
Kathy Brown: Well, you may well ask. When I first heard about it, it was phrased to me as if it were a real, wonderful sort of touchy feely thing whereby faculty tried to make all of the students at Johnson County Community College constantly comfortable, but I discovered that it was really code for suppression of Christian, Catholic, Jewish, religious, conservative speech.
Darla: And how did this happen to you, Kathy? Because, when you were talking in the video. The meeting was last week, on May 20. You believe you didn’t get equal process because you were a conservative. Why don’t you tell us, first what happened 15 months ago, and then why you think that they haven’t addressed your complaint?
Kathy Brown: Sure. Well, I was attending classes, as you said. There’s a licensed practical nurse to RN bridge program, there. And I was just there a few weeks, and I was having a conversation with a student, a private conversation after class. And our professor over-heard our private conversation, and when he did, he stuck his finger in my face, and said, “Stop, you’re not allowed to ask those questions, here. You’re not allowed to have that discussion, here.”
Darla: And what questions was he talking about. What were you asking?
Kathy Brown: Oh, we were having a discussion about a lot of different things. War, non-violence, Islam terrorism, a few different things, but I think the thing that he probably, made him intervene, was that we were speaking of Islamo-fascism. The young man I was talking to was much younger than myself, I am an adult student, and he was talking about how horrible, and oppressive, and violent the United States is, and how there should never being any wars, and I was responding to him by speaking of World War 2, and saying, “Hey, what do you do in the face of Islamic terrorism?” He had no answer, but that’s when the professor intervened.
Darla: And so the professor basically stated that it looked like the person you were talking to, was becoming uncomfortable?
Kathy Brown: Yes, and I’m sorry, I shouldn’t laugh, but I can never get over it. That was his statement, but it turned out not to be sincere, because the young man I was talking to immediately said, something to the effect of, “No, man. It’s cool. We always talk like this.” And then the professor seemed to get a little annoyed with him, and then the professor ended up saying, “Hey, if it’s not making him uncomfortable, it’s making me uncomfortable, and I’m shutting it down.”
Darla: So a professor was uncomfortable with you talking about World War 2 and Islamo-fascism, and your opinion on such?
Kathy Brown: That is correct.
Darla: And so, was that the only time that this happened, or is this what then led you to write this complaint?
Kathy Brown: Oh, no, no, no. That was simply the beginning. At the same time, or a little bit after I guess, I had joined what’s called, laughably, the “Diversity group.” I hadn’t been on a college campus in 15 years, Darla. I was totally clueless. I thought, you know, diversity group, how great, I speak French, I guess I’ll meet people I can practice the language with, how neat. Well, that’s not what the diversity group is. It’s anything but diversity, and that was the next thing that I encountered.
Darla: I’m looking at the diversity objectives that I printed off their Web site. And, basically: The office of diversity, equity, and inclusion will advance a new vision to establish a climate and reputation that promotes the identification of JCCC as an institution focused on creating cultural equity and one fully engaged in establishing parity for all people on the campus through their policies, their programs, and their curriculum.
However, from what you’re saying, it doesn’t include anybody who might have conservative thoughts, who might be a Christian, or a Catholic, or a Jew. So everybody else can speak up, and be diverse, except for those who don’t agree with what’s going on at school.
Kathy Brown: That is correct, and you know, they must have just changed that definition, the way they changed their policy, if you can imagine. But the advertisement that attracted me was, when I joined the Diversity Group, was step out of your world and into somebody else’s, and it had a big thing about how we want all to feel comfortable and respected. But the time I joined, see, was just after Iowa had legalized gay marriage, and they were all talking on this list about how wonderful it was. Well, you know, I’m a Roman Catholic, and so I joined and I dissented from that view, and practically immediately within the next couple of days, I was being utterly savaged in print, and being called every possible name. And by the way this is not by students, this is by faculty members, heads of departments, like the head of the office of diversity, equity, and inclusion who is Carmaletta Williams, she was leading that charge.
Darla: Where was this writing, where you were being savaged?
Kathy Brown: On the list, itself, in Emails.
Darla: So it was an Email list, a listgroup, that you could join, have conversations with other people.
Kathy Brown: That is exactly right.
Darla: So, you said that you didn’t agree with gay marriage, and right away people started going after you.
Kathy Brown: Oh yeah, totally, and in an extremely un-civil way, I was called racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe. I was, just referred to in a disgusting way. But that’s not the worst of it. The worst of it is that when I didn’t, quote-unquote, go away, I was banned from the group, and dropped from the list. And that’s the crux of the matter. That’s not just immoral, or not nice, that is against state and federal law, governing institutions of higher learning, which receive state and federal funds. You’re not allowed to do that.
Darla: So when that happened. That happened after the professor spoke to you?
Kathy Brown: Yes, ma’am.
Darla: Then, did you issue a complaint?
Kathy Brown: Well, I had already filed a complaint against Professor Clarke. And that was when I discovered the Discomfort Doctrine. Because – I know you’re laughing, I talked to a reporter from the Gardner paper the other day, and she cracked up. And see the thing is this, I would have cracked up to, except that had actually happened to me, on American soil. A professor in America, to an American citizen had walked up, and said, no you can’t ask that, you can’t say that, here. When I asked where “here” was, he said Johnson County Community College. So I went to the head of the department, and when I went there, she wasn’t shocked, she didn’t laugh, she said, this is our procedure. This is our procedure, it’s the Discomfort Doctrine, and I ended up sitting there for about 45 minutes with her, talking about it. It soon emerged that it was particularly targeted at any speech that wasn’t PC, or far-left.
Darla: OK. Then, after that, then what happened?
Kathy Brown: Well, the complaints. I ended up filing a complaint against the ODEI because as I say, when you’re banned or dropped…
Darla: What’s the ODEI, again?
Kathy Brown: Office of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Which, everybody when they hear that name, should immediately laugh hysterically. Because it’s…
Darla and Kathy: Office… of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.
Kathy Brown: And it’s none of those things, absolutely not.
Darla: So basically what you’re saying here, is if you’re a student at Johnson County Community College, and you have a different opinion from what the staff wants you to have or thinks is a politically correct opinion to have on anything, whether it be real history, or current status of a war. If you don’t agree with the majority of the staff, then you are ostracized, and if you complain, your complaints will get ignored.
Kathy Brown: Yeah, not just ignored, but obstructed and retaliated against, and that’s another violation of federal law.
Pt. 2 of 4 on YouTube (length 9:39)
Link to audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaDonVG97k8
Darla Jaye: Here is the notice of non-discrimination on Johnson County Community College’s… they’re committed to a policy of non-discrimination. All personnel policies within Johnson County Community College shall be applied without regard to a person’s race, color, age, sex, religion, marital status, national origin, disability, veteran status, sexual orientation, or other factors which cannot be lawfully considered to the extent specified by applicable federal and state laws. What are other factors which can’t be lawfully considered?
Kathy Brown: Well, they changed that one, too, recently, which is pretty funny. Because they’ve revised all their policies since I’ve referred my complaint, which is kind of insane to me because I’m governed by the policy that was in effect at the time I referred the complaint, obviously. But what they used to have printed, was another thing, you’re not allowed to discriminate against, and that’s political views. We do not allow…
Darla Jaye: It used to say political views?
Kathy Brown: That is correct. It used to say that, but it’s gone now. It’s changed. Under 1983 civil rights titles, we do not in the United States of America permit institutions to do this, when they take state and federal money, period. End of story. JCCC takes tons of federal and state money. In fact, the taxpayers support JCCC. Now, they’re not allowed to be in violation of this, but they are in violation of it, and I have to tell you, when I was on the list being savaged, I heard from tons of people who wrote me off-list, terrified, saying what had happened to them. And I now know of complaints that go back as far as 2003, under the same vice president Dennis Day.
Darla Jaye: We’re talking to Kathy Brown, and joining me next, with Kathy, is Ben Hodge. He’s a former Johnson County Community College Trustee, who also dealt with, in a different way, some of the same issues, and we will talk to him and Kathy coming up next on 980 Live with Darla Jaye on News Radio 980 KMBZ…
Welcome back to 980 Live with Darla Jaye on News Radio 980 KMBZ. Kathy Brown is in the studio with me. Kathy is an attorney, but she was going to Johnson County Community College to – she’s also a nurse – to update her nursing skills, and had a problem with a professor, who had a problem with her talking about issues that she believes in with another student, and even though the other student said he wasn’t having a problem with it, the professor said, “Well, I am.” Then, she tried to take it further. That didn’t resolve anything, filed a complaint. And it’s been 15 months, and I just want to, before we go to Ben Hodge and continue this conversation, you have a letter from – and I’ve heard this name before, Mark Ferguson, who’s the attorney for Johnson County Community College. You’ve got an Email from him, and he wants you to come to his office for an independent meeting, which if it’s in his office, it’s not independent. I did have to laugh at this: “This entire process is not intended to be aired in the public setting. While you’ve chosen to present your complaints in public, the college does not intend to divulge information, documentation, or otherwise respond to the complaints in a public way. To do so would be inappropriate, since the complaints arise when you were a student and involved personnel matters which are not voluntarily divulged outside the appeal and review process.”
Well, good thing nobody listens to me.
Kathy Brown: I know, I’m telling you Darla. You saw my response, there, that I sent to him. I said, excuse me, Mark. Hello? You don’t have any authority to tell anybody whether they can make public a complaint or keep it private. That is, excuse me, another First Amendment right. I mean, I’m surprised he didn’t send me a thing saying, “Now, don’t you dare talk to the press, or I’ll think you’re a bad girl.” I mean, this is just more of the same from Johnson County Community College. And by the way, I am not the first person who made this public. Dennis Day did.
Darla Jaye: And Dennis Day is?
Kathy Brown: The Vice President for Student Services. Which, believe me, is about as applicable to him as the name of the Office of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is to that office.
Darla Jaye: And once again, before I forget, what was the complaint called? I have way to many of pieces of paper, here. In the story that was written about you.
Kathy Brown: The Discomfort Doctrine.
Darla Jaye: The Discomfort Doctrine.
Kathy Brown: Ben Hodge, guess what, I have about 20 seconds, and so I’m just going to tell you that I’m going to talk to you about what happened when you were a former Johnson County Community College Trustee, and what happened with you when we get back, and you’re going to have to hang on. Is that OK, Ben?
Ben Hodge: All right. Thank you, Darla.
Darla Jaye: Thank you, hold on. Kathy Brown’s in studio. If you have a question or a comment, and we do have many, we’ll be taking those, coming up next, and we’ll hear about what Ben went through when he was on the Board of Trustees. And we’ll talk more about this complaint, and the lawyer. 15 months. 15 months, and it’s still not resolved. And that video tape of you talking to – the one that was done on the 20th. Who was the Trustee that was talking to you?
Kathy Brown: That would be Jon Stewart, he’s the chairman.
Darla Jaye: Not the Jon Stewart we laugh at, but this Jon Stewart who smirked at you the entire time you were talking. We’ll talk about that next on 980 Live with Darla Jaye on Newsradio 980 KMBZ.
Darla Jaye: Sometimes the conversations off the air are better than the ones on. Kathy Brown’s in studio. She’s got a complaint with Johnson County Community College, former student there. Ben Hodge is also with us, former Johnson County Community College Trustee, we’ll talk to him next on 980 Live with Darla Jaye on Newsradio 980 KMBZ…
Welcome back to 980 Live with Darla Jaye on Newsradio 980 KMBZ. Thank you so much for tuning into the program. I really do appreciate it. Joining me in studio is Kathy Brown. She is an attorney, but she was a Johnson County Community College student. When were you the student, for how long?
Kathy Brown: About three months, spring of ‘09. Starting in January.
Darla Jaye: And you were trying to get, what was the course called again? It was for…
Kathy Brown: It’s an LPN to RN bridge course. It’s a very intensive one-year course.
Darla Jaye: OK. What we’re talking about, just in case you just tuned into the program, and if you have, I appreciate it. She was having a conversation with a student, a private conversation after a class. They were talking about World War 2, they were talking about war, and Kathy is an adult, the student was several years younger than her. They were disagreeing, but it wasn’t anything terrible, right?
Kathy Brown: Oh, no, we always had such conversations.
Darla Jaye: Isn’t that supposed to happen in college? That’s what I thought.
Kathy Brown: Well, I thought so too, Darla, but at JCCC, I don’t know.
Darla Jaye: What happened was, the professor came up, and stuck his finger in your face and said, you can’t ask those questions, you can’t have that conversation, you’re making him uncomfortable. The student said, no, she’s not making me uncomfortable. Then the professor said, but you’re making me uncomfortable.
Kathy Brown: Well, yeah.
Darla Jaye: She filed a complaint, and it’s been 15 months.
Kathy Brown: And counting.
Darla Jaye: And counting. And it doesn’t seem like this is. It seems like this is kind of a regular thing at Johnson County Community College. Ben Hodge is on the phone with us, and he is a former Johnson County Community College Trustee, and Ben had quite the problem with Johnson County Community College president and other trustees. Ben, welcome to the show.
Ben Hodge: Thank you, Darla. Yes.
Darla Jaye: Tell us briefly. I know it was a big, long ordeal to you. But if you can explain briefly, what happened to you?
Ben Hodge: Well, I’ll be the first to say, that I believe that people should be innocent until proven guilty, but with this case, there’s already a record, Darla, of these same individuals, and Terry Calaway, the president, and these other trustees, there’s already a record of them breaking the law, of them lying, of them bullying students, breaking their own ethical codes, and violating the First Amendment, even.
I’m going to step back to the very first problem. When I first got there, the president was named Charles Carlsen. The main building at the college is still named Carlsen Center after Charles Carlsen. Carlsen abruptly left, he ran from the college in 2006, after four women accused him of basically fondling their breasts, OK?
Darla Jaye: Mmm-Hmm.
Ben Hodge: Right before we found about that, though? It turns out – I didn’t find this out until a couple months later – right before he resigned, days before he resigned, Mark Ferguson, the college lawyer, intimidated the student newspaper editor who ended up uncovering the fact that four women accused the president of sexual harassment. So if Mark Ferguson had succeeded in intimidating the student newspaper editor, we would have never learned about this. OK? So that was my first experience with just, not only intimidation, but just flat-out, just stupid behavior on the part of some these leaders.
Pt. 3 of 4 on YouTube (length 9:42)
Link to audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gXYtvs8Ibw
Ben Hodge: About two years ago, a professor came to me. This was not a conservative professor, by any means. He was just a very much, moderate or liberal professor. His topics of teaching were under international affairs, and he, like many of us, found that many Muslim nations were not very tolerant. So he was on record at one point, I think in front of other faculty members, of criticizing Muslim-dominated countries for their human right records, OK? Seems pretty sensible — regardless, even if it’s not sensible, he has a First Amendment right to say that. Other faculty members complained about him, and the current dean, the current dean over the same situation, over Kathy Brown’s situation, her name is Betty Furtwengler, and the current dean of arts and sciences punished this professor, without having a thorough review or anything. And the professor came to me, we had never met before, but I had a reputation at the college – some people liked me, some people didn’t – but I had a reputation of getting things done, and being willing to not wait, not just being willing to say, “OK, let’s wait for this procedure to drag for months or years.” So, within a week, I had Emailed this professor’s boss and our president, and within a week our president removed this letter reprimanding… this punishment. So, this is already confirmed, that in this same Arts and Sciences Department, and under Terry Calaway, under this woman, the dean Betty Furtwengler, and her boss Executive Vice President Marilyn Rhinehart, this same First Amendment violation over the same topic of criticizing radical Muslims, there’s already a record of this occurring.
Darla Jaye: So, in other words, apparently you can’t have any opinion about Islamic terrorism, or even say that human rights violations happen on a second or minute-by-minute basis in the Middle East, you can’t even say that?
Ben Hodge: Well, of course, that’s not going to be an official policy, because they know that that won’t – that’s both illegal and this is not San Francisco, this is Kansas City, and we are a reasonable, you know, bunch of people, here, and we wouldn’t stand for this. But, no, what they will do instead, Darla, is delay, and delay, and delay. These are very passive-aggressive, dishonest people, and they lack the courage – Frankly, the people running this place, Johnson County Community College, the Board Chair Jon Stewart and President Terry Calaway, I know these people. Darla, they don’t care. They’re not radical leftists, they’re not conservative, they just don’t care. But they don’t have the courage to stand up to the professors who actually run the show behind the scenes. And so they don’t have the courage to stand up to the professors, and then when the law’s broken, which they quietly support, they don’t have the courage to then come to the public and say, “Here’s what we’re doing,” either. So what they do is cause people like Kathy Brown – who just want to get an education, right? They cause them to wait months, and months, and months. But Darla, just in the last month, a group of illegal students, illegal immigrant students, wanted to take a 1,000-mile plane trip somewhere to attend a student event, somewhere. Terry Calaway, JCCC President, responded in three days to the illegal immigrant students. In three days, they had a complaint, and in three days, Terry Calaway responded. Jon Stewart, the president, or the Board Chair responded. It’s taken 15 months, and they lie to Kathy, they waste our money, and they break our laws, Darla. You’ve mentioned the lawyer in charge of this. The lawyer is a guy named Mark Ferguson. He is the law partner of Kansas Democratic Party Chairman Larry Gates.
Darla Jaye: Ah.
Ben Hodge: The law contract for the largest – keep in mind, this is the largest college in Kansas. It’s larger than KU, larger than K-State. 50,000 students walk through the doors of Johnson County Community College every year. The legal contract, worth probably at least a half million dollars a year, the legal contract – a no bid contract, keep in mind. They refuse to bid out the contract, that was one of my complaints with them. They refuse to bid out the contract, so a no bid contract given to a dishonest lawyer, a bully of a lawyer, Mark Ferguson, is given at the largest college in the state of Kansas.
Darla Jaye: Well, in his communication with Kathy Brown, here, he basically says that she was, that she was threatening people, and, Kathy, you weren’t threatening anybody, were you?
Kathy Brown: No. Certainly not, of course I’m not threatening anybody. I responded to the letter, and I think that I sent it to you. I stated to him, obviously, I have never threatened or harassed anybody in my life, including anybody at JCCC. He sought to enjoin me, if you can conceive of this, he is talking to another lawyer, and he believes apparently, in a delusional fashion, that he can tell me that I’m not allowed to call up anybody at JCCC and ask for clarification. He tells me I’m not supposed to… it’s just more of the same, as Ben says, it’s more of the same, let’s suppress speech, and that’s how we’ll get away with this.
Darla Jaye: Ben, go ahead.
Ben Hodge: This is Memorial Day weekend. Men… in some ways, it’s OK, Darla. In some ways, colleges will always be colleges, and in some ways, it’s OK for us to laugh about liberal college professors who are out of touch, OK? But Darla, this crosses the line many times over. This is Memorial Day weekend. Men and women do not go overseas and die for our freedoms so that empty, arrogant men like Terry Calaway, and Jon Stewart, and Lynn Mitchelson and other leaders at Johnson County Community College can break our laws, waste our money, and ignore the educational freedoms of students. This is…
Kathy Brown: Amen to that. Amen to that.
Darla Jaye: And the fact that you spoke before the Board of Trustees, and that was a week ago, and you thought maybe something might get done, but the only thing that it looks like to me, from the correspondence that you got from Mark Ferguson, is that you can come to his office to talk to a neutral party. Now, Ben – would you go to the attorney who’s been in charge of maybe writing you letters and not doing anything, and expect that there’s going to be a neutral party in his office?
Ben Hodge: No, and indeed the record shows that when, I was – through the middle of 2009, through the end of June 2009, while Kathy was a student, I was finishing a four-year term as one of seven trustees at this college. They broke all kinds of ethical duties. This includes Mark Ferguson, the lawyer. I was his client, OK? He was my attorney on the Board of Trustees. Terry Calaway was my president, my employee. I was representing 300,000 voters and taxpayers in this county, and Sue Kuder, the secretary to the Board, was my secretary. They, are now… it is un-debatable, at this point. They thought that they could make Kathy go away, and they would never tell me about her. I did not learn about Kathy Brown until about six months ago.
Darla Jaye: After you were done?
Ben Hodge: Yes, until after I was off the board. And so they are on record, keep in mind, violating the First Amendment under these same deans, Betty Furtwengler, Marilyn Rhinehart, and Terry Calaway. They’re already on record violating the First Amendment, and not changing any college policies about that. They’re already on record violating the Kansas Open Meeting Act. They’re already on record lying about that, while they trying to defame me, during my last few months on the Board. And they even went so far – again, these people, these are not serious people. While I was still a public official, their boss, and when I had voted in the Legislature on the Kansas Open Meetings Act, they had… they directed the attorney Mark Ferguson to send me — the president, the employee, the chief employee of the college, sent his boss, the public representative, a cease and desist letter that was filled with lies, and that was meant to intimidate me to shut up at the risk of a taxpayer-funded lawsuit. Darla, that’s like you sending Chris Stigall a cease and desist letter if he criticizes you. Or Obama Pat Roberts, Senator Pat Roberts, a cease and desist letter.
Kathy Brown: Well, that could actually happen, let’s be honest.
Ben Hodge: Serious people, serious people do not do this. These are very childish, and just arrogant people running this institution, Darla.
Darla Jaye: Ben Hodge, thank you so much, former Johnson County Community Trustee. And Ben, why don’t you tell my listeners what you’re Web site is?
Ben Hodge: Well, my Web site is benjaminhodge.com. But I encourage people to go to jccc.edu, call each of these people up, and tell them how much of an embarrassment they are.
Darla Jaye: Thank you, sir. Have a good one. Bye-bye.
Kathy Brown: Thank you, Ben.
Darla Jaye: We’re going to take a short break, here. And, when we get back, we have a few more moments. Talk about your next step, and what you’re going to do. Gee, I hope that when Mark Ferguson wrote this letter to you, telling you that it shouldn’t be aired in a public setting — You know? What? So, the college isn’t dealing with you, they’re not dealing with your complaints? It’s taken 15 months, you have repeatedly testified. You’ve written letters, you’ve done everything that you’re supposed to do, through the college’s own rules. And then they’re telling you, you’re not supposed to talk to anybody about this? We’re going to take a short break. We’ll be right back with Kathy Brown on 980 Live with Darla Jaye, on Newsradio 980 KMBZ.
Pt. 4 of 4 on YouTube (length 2:24)
Link to audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFWZzmQmMoA
Darla Jaye: Welcome back to 980 Live with Darla Jaye on Newsradio 980 KMBZ. Kathy Brown is in the studio with me, she is an attorney. If you want to get a hold of her, her Email is KathyKounselor – both with K’s, Kathy with a K, Kounselor with a K – KathyKounselor all one word at Gmail.com – Kathykounselor@gmail.com. You were telling me off the air that this obviously just hasn’t happened to you. It’s happened to a lot of people, and you’ve heard from them outside of what’s going on with the Trustees.
Kathy Brown: Yeah, that’s correct. Almost immediately, when I began to be savaged in print on the Diversity List, I started to get what were really astonishing Emails to me, at first, but then they became normal, commonplace. And it was all these different people telling me of how the Office of supposed Diversity, Equity and Inclusion had flunked them, or lost their… and not necessarily the office of diversity, equity and inclusion, how they had been ridiculed, and savaged, and silenced. And then I got Emails from people in entirely different departments. Cause see, the office of diversity has its tentacles in every single area. You have to have a diversity requirement to graduate. This is [Italian word] as the Italians say, in other words, it’s disgusting. It’s got to be stopped, and we here, we can’t fight and die like our men in uniform, but we can do our little part.
Darla Jaye: This is your little part.
Kathy Brown: That is exactly right, so I hope they’ll get in touch with me if it’s happened to them, and we’ll shut it down, God willing.
Darla Jaye: And so, KathyKounselor – K at the beginning of Kathy, K at the beginning of Kounselor – @gmail.com. If you, you know, if they’ve lost your term paper, or you got a bad grade because you were supposedly a conservative, I’ve heard from other students like that, myself. And I know it goes on, and that is ridiculous, and if it’s happening at Johnson County Community College, you know it’s happening all over the country, and you get those young minds, and turn them into mush, and that’s the whole idea, ladies and gentlemen. So, Kathy, I wish you the very best, I hope you will keep up with me and let me know what happens.
Kathy Brown: I sure will, Darla. Thank you for this forum.
Darla Jaye: Coming up next, we’re going to talk to Zev Chafetz. He wrote the book, Rush Limbaugh, An Army of One.